Reason v. Revelation? Part Two
In my last post, “Reason v. Revelation? Part One,” was introduced the debate of whether or not the Founders relied upon, or at least believed in, direct, divine revelation. The question we are asking is “Did or didn’t the Founders base their political beliefs and our founding documents on the basic principles of the Bible or not?” Let me begin answering that question with a quote from Samuel Adams, the “Father of the American Revolution.”
The Rights of the Colonists as Christians – These may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the great Lawgiver and head of the Christian Church: which are to be found closely written and promulgated in the New Testament. (1)
Here, the Father of the American Revolution says that our rights come from God, and may be BEST understood by reading and carefully studying the words of Jesus, as recorded in the New Testament. The Founding Fathers certainly used their reason, but they did not rely upon man’s reason ALONE; they relied heavily upon Biblical principles, as the quotes I shall present will unequivocally demonstrate.
Some may object: “Samuel Adams was most probably an orthodox Christian, so of course he would say such a thing. But the more important Founding Fathers like John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton, who were more than likely religious rationalists, did not hold that same views as the orthodox Founders like Sam Adams.”
Such an argument has many blatant falsehoods. (1) What Founder can be more important than Sam Adams, the “father of the American Revolution”?* (2) We shall see what the other named Founders believed about revelation, that this argument is largely false, (3) and hence we shall find that several of the individuals named were NOT rationalists, and (4) allow me to point out that MOST of the Founding Fathers were most likely orthodox Christians. Now, when I say “orthodox,” I do not mean that that Founder(s) agreed with any particular denomination’s creed, but rather with the doctrines which are clearly written in the Bible. I think that these “basic doctrines” are best delineated in the Apostles’ Creed. The writings of the Founding Fathers (ahem, THEIR writings, not the analysis of some scholar, either secular humanist or evangelical), and may be easily searched for key words online, in order to substantiate this claim. I have an “online library” of such rare writings of theirs (a library which is being continually expanded, so be sure to bookmark this great resource): The Founders’ Bookshelf. This collection is the result of 4+ years of hunting for the Founders writings online, as they are hardly available to the average citizen (such as myself) and not for convenient use. Here, however, their writings may be viewed and studied by any American at his or her own convenience.
*Some of the Founding Fathers named above, such as Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin certainly did contribute to the Founding Era in important ways, but there are many more Founding Fathers that contributed much more than those two men, but Americans never hear of them often or learn about them, and the modern public (reads: government-regulated) school system is largely to blame. The public school system is the evangelism center for secular humanism, and so the least Christian of the Founders have been emphasized at the expense of other Founders such as Benjamin Rush, George Mason, John Jay, William Livingston, Elias Boudinot, Johnathan Trumbull, Sr., and many others. It must also be pointed out that many of the Founders disagreed vehemently with those two men (especially with Jefferson) on many important points. So, just because Jefferson or Franklin said something about the Founding Era or their fellow Founders, or the Constitution doesn’t necessarily make their words pure gold. I will discuss this in the future on my Meet the Founding Fathers blog.
But back to the Sam Adams quote. Was Sammy Adams the only one to hold such a belief? Did the less “orthodox” Christian Founders disagree? Not his cousin John Adams:
The GENERAL PRINCIPLES on which the fathers achieved independence, were the only principles in which that beautiful assembly of young men could unite, and these principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were those GENERAL PRINCIPLES? I answer, the general principles of Christianity, in which all those sects [the Roman Catholics, Quakers, Presbyterians, Methodists, Moravians, and Universalists] were united, and the GENERAL PRINCIPLES of English and American liberty, in which all those young men united, and which had united all parties in America, in majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her independence. Now I will avow, that I then believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature and our terrestrial, mundane system. (2)
This statement makes you think twice about the assertion that the Founders rejected the Bible and embraced “reason” instead. Is this statement by Adams isolated? Did he express different positions as he grew older, and began to more seriously doubt several basic tenets of Christianity? It is worth pointing out that the above quote comes from a letter written to Thomas Jefferson in 1813, 13 years before Adams passed away. Here are some other quotes from Adams on the subject of revelation, the Bible, and American government:
“Thus we are equally obliged to the Supream [sic] Being for the Information he has given us of our Duty, whether by the Constitution of our Minds and Bodies or by a supernatural Revelation. For an instance of the latter let us take original sin. Some say that Adams sin was enough to damn the whole human Race, without any actual Crimes committed by any of them. Now this Guilt is brought upon them not by their own rashness and Indiscretion, not by their own Wickedness and Vice, but by the Supream Being. This Guilt brought upon us is a real Injury and Misfortune because it renders us worse than not to be, and therefore making us guilty upon account of Adams Delegation, or Representing all of us, is not in the least diminishing the Injury and Injustice but only changing the mode of conveyance.” (3)
“No Priest nor Pope has any Right to say what I shall believe, and I will not believe one Word they say, if I think it is not founded in Reason and in Revelation. Now how can I judge what My Bible justifies unless I can read my Bible. … “A Man who can read, will find in his Bible, in the common sermon Books that common People have by them and even in the Almanack [sic] and News Papers, Rules and observations, that will enlarge his Range of Thought, and enable him the better to judge who has and who has not that Integrity of Heart, and that Compass of Knowledge and Understanding, which form the Statesman.” (4)
“The gallant Struggle in America, is founded in Principles so indisputable, in the moral Law, in the revealed Law of God, in the true Constitution of great Britain, and in the most apparent Welfare of the Nation as well as the People in America, that I must confess it rejoices my very Soul.” (5)
“Suppose a nation in some distant Region, should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. Every member would be obliged in Concience [sic] to temperance and frugality and industry, to justice and kindness and Charity towards his fellow men, and to Piety and Love, and reverence towards almighty God. In this Commonwealth, no man would impair his health by Gluttony, drunkenness, or Lust-no man would sacrifice his most precious time to cards, or any other trifling and mean amusement-no man would steal or lie or any way defraud his neighbour [sic], but would live in peace and good will with all men-no man would blaspheme his maker or prophane [sic] his Worship, but a rational and manly, a sincere and unaffected Piety and devotion, would reign in all hearts. What a Eutopia [sic], what a Paradise would this region be. ” (6)
“Gilbert Livingston, who took the Reflection to himself and his Party and grew warm, ‘Nothing says he mortifies me so much in the misconduct in France and America too, as to see that the Fools are all playing the Game into the hands of that Mr. John Adams.’
‘Why?’ Said Benson to Livingston who it seems is a serious Man. ‘Mr. Adams reads the Scriptures and there he finds that Man is as stupid as the Wild Asses Colt. He believes what he reads and infers his necessary Consequences from it. That is all. Mr. Adams is not to blame. He did not write the Scriptures, He only reads and believes.’ ” (7)
John Adams didn’t agree with everything in the Bible, but did he think that it’s principles were contrary or alien to the form of government that the Founders established? Hardly. Here are what some other Founding Fathers had to say about revelation, and the role of the Bible in American government:
SAMUEL ADAMS
“A PROCLAMATION FOR A DAY OF PUBLIC THANKSGIVING AND PRAISE. FORASMUCH as the occasional meeting of a People for the exercise of Piety and Devotion towards God, more especially of those who enjoy the Light of Divine Revelation, has a strong tendency to impress their minds with a sense of Dependence upon HIM and their Obligations to HIM.I have thought fit, according to the ancient and laudable Practice of our renowned ancestors, to appoint a day of Public Thanksgiving to God, for the great benefits which HE has been pleased to bestow upon us, in the Year past.”
~Thanksgiving Proclamation by Massachusetts Governor Samuel Adams, Oct. 14, 1795; The Writings of Samuel Adams, volume 4ALEXANDER HAMILTON
Opinions, for a long time, have been gradually gaining ground, which threaten the foundations of religion, morality, and society. An attack was first made upon the Christian revelation, for which natural religion was offered as the substitute. The Gospel was to be discarded as a gross imposture, but the being and attributes of GOD, the obligations of piety, even the doctrine of a future state of rewards and punishments, were to be retained and cherished.In proportion as success has appeared to attend the plan, a bolder project has been unfolded. The very existence of a Deity has been questioned and in some instances denied. The duty of piety has been ridiculed, the perishable nature of man asserted, and his hopes bounded to the short span of his earthly state. DEATH has been proclaimed an ETERNAL SLEEP; “the dogma of the immortality of the soul a cheat, invented to torment the living for the benefit of the dead.” Irreligion, no longer confined to the closets of conceited sophists, nor to the haunts of wealthy riot, has more or less displayed its hideous front among all classes.
Wise and good men took a lead in delineating the odious character of despotism, in exhibiting the advantages of a moderate and well-balanced government, in inviting nations to contend for the enjoyment of national liberty. Fanatics in political science have since exaggerated and perverted their doctrines. Theories of government unsuited to the nature of man, miscalculating the force of his passions, disregarding the lessons of experimental wisdom, have been projected and recommended. These have everywhere attracted sectaries, and everywhere the fabric of government has been in different degrees undermined.~“Fragment on the American Revolution” (unknown date of authorship; estimated to have been authored in the 1790s); The Works of Alexander Hamilton, ed. by Henry C. Lodge, vol. 8
JAMES WILSON
That law, which God has made for man in his present state; that law, which is communicated to us by reason and conscience, the divine monitors within us, and by the sacred oracles, the divine monitors without us. This law has undergone several subdivisions, and has been known by distinct appellations, according to the different ways in which it has been promulgated, and the different objects which it respects.
As promulgated by reason and the moral sense, it has been called natural; as promulgated by the holy scriptures, it has been called revealed law.As addressed to men, it has been denominated the law of nature; as addressed to political societies, it is has been denominated the law of nations.
But it should always be remembered, that this law, natural or revealed, made for men or for nations, flows from the same divine source: it is the law of God.
Nature, or, to speak more properly, the Author of nature, has done much for us; but it is his gracious appointment and will, that we should also do much ourselves. What we do, indeed, must be founded on what he has done; and the deficiencies of our laws must be supplied by the perfections of his. Human law must rest its authority, ultimately, upon the authority of that law, which is divine.
Of that law, the following are maxims — that no injury should be done — that a lawful engagement, voluntarily made, should be faithfully fulfilled. We now see the deep and the solid foundations of human law.
Those parts of natural philosophy, which more immediately relate to the human body, are appropriated to the profession of physick [sic].
The law eternal, the law celestial, and the law divine, as they are disclosed by that revelation, which has brought life and immortality to light, are the more peculiar objects of the profession of divinity.
The law of nature, the law of nations, and the municipal law form the objects of the profession of law. The Works of the Honorable James Wilson, L.L.D.; vol. 1, pp. 104-105 –”Lectures on Law”
[H]ow shall we, in particular instances, learn the dictates of our duty, and make, with accuracy, the proper distinction between right and wrong; in other words, how shall we, in particular cases, discover the will of God? We discover it by our conscience, by our reason, and by the Holy Scriptures. The law of nature and the law of revelation are both divine: they flow, though in different channels, from the same adorable source. It is, indeed, preposterous to separate them from each other. The object of both is — to discover the will of God — and both are necessary for the accomplishment of that end.
~The Works of the Honorable James Wilson, L.L.D.; vol. 1, page 120GEORGE WASHINGTON
The foundation of our Empire was not laid in the gloomy age of Ignorance and Superstition, but at an Epocha when the rights of mankind were better understood and more clearly defined, than at any former period, the researches of the human mind, after social happiness, have been carried to a great extent, the Treasures of knowledge, acquired by the labours of Philosophers, Sages and Legislatures, through a long succession of years, are laid open for our use, and their collected wisdom may be happily applied in the Establishment of our forms of Government; the free cultivation of Letters, the unbounded extension of Commerce, the progressive refinement of Manners, the growing liberality of sentiment, and above all, the pure and benign light of Revelation, have had ameliorating influence on mankind and increased the blessings of Society. At this auspicious period, the United States came into existence as a Nation, and if their Citizens should not be completely free and happy, the fault will be intirely their own.
~The Writings of George Washington, ed. by Fitzpatrick, “Circular to the States” (26:485)For certainly it is more consonant to all the principles of reason and religion (natural and revealed) to replenish the earth with inhabitants, rather than to depopulate it by killing those already in existence, besides it is time for the age of Knight-Errantry and mad-heroism to be at an end. Your young military men, who want to reap the harvest of laurels, don’t care (I suppose) how many seeds of war are sown; but for the sake of humanity it is devoutly to be wished, that the manly employment of agriculture and the humanizing benefits of commerce, would supersede the waste of war and the rage of conquest; that the swords might be turned into plough-shares, the spears into pruning hooks, and, as the Scripture expresses it, “the nations learn war no more.”
~ Letter to Francois Jean, Comte de Chastellux, April 25, 1788 (manuscript from Library of Congress)
If the blessings of Heaven showered thick around us should be spilled on the ground or converted to curses, through the fault of those for whom they were intended, it would not be the first instance of folly [34] or perverseness in short-sighted mortals. The blessed Religion revealed in the word of God will remain an eternal and awful monument to prove that the best Institutions may be abused by human depravity; and that they may even, in some instances be made subservient to the vilest of purposes. Should, hereafter, those who are intrusted [sic] with the management of this government, incited by the lust of power and prompted by the Supineness or venality of their Constituents, overleap the known barriers of this Constitution and violate the unalienable rights of humanity: it will only serve to shew, that no compact among men (however provident in its construction and sacred in its ratification) can be pronounced everlasting and inviolable, and if I may so express myself, that no Wall of words, that no mound of parchmt. can be so formed as to stand against the sweeping torrent of boundless ambition on the one side, aided by the sapping current of corrupted morals on the other.
~proposed address to Congress, April ?, 1789; Writings of Washington, ed. by Fitzpatrick (30:301-302)
BENJAMIN FRANKLIN
We should remember the character which the Scripture requires in Rulers, that they should be men hating covetousness. This Constitution will be much read and attended to in Europe, and if it should betray a great partiality to the rich will not only hurt us in the esteem of the most liberal and enlightened men there, but discourage the common people from removing to this Country.
~speech on the floor of the Constitutional Convention, Friday, August 10; from Madison’s “Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787″<JAMES MADISON
It is impossible for any man of candor to reflect on this circumstance [the creation of the US Constitution] without partaking of the astonishment. It is impossible for the man of pious reflection not to perceive in it a finger of that Almighty hand which has been so frequently and signally extended to our relief in the critical stages of the revolution.
~Federalist #37ELIAS BOUDINOT
He wrote the pamphlet “The Age of Revelation” in rebuttal to Thomas Paine’s “Age of Reason.”FOUNDING DOCUMENTS
And each member, before he takes his seat, shall make and subscribe the following declaration, viz:
I do believe in one God, the creator and governor of the universe, the rewarder of the good and the punisher of the wicked. And I do acknowledge the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by Divine inspiration.
~ Pennsylvania Constitution, Article XVI, Section 10 (1776) (drafted by, among others, influential Founding Father Benjamin Franklin)Every person who shall be chosen a member of either house, or appointed to any office or place of trust, before taking his seat, or entering upon the execution of his office, shall take the following oath, or affirmation, if conscientiously scrupulous of taking an oath, to wit: … ” I, A B. do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed for evermore; and I do acknowledge the holy scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration.”
And all officers shall also take an oath of office.
~Delaware Constitution, Article 22 (1776) (drafted by, among others, Declaration-signers Thomas McKean and George Reed)… [A]nd they [members of the state house of representatives] shall be of the Protestent [sic] religion…
~Georgia Constitution, Article VI (1777)That no person, who shall deny the being of God or the truth of the Protestant religion, or the divine authority either of the Old or New Testaments, or who shall hold religious principles incompatible with the freedom and safety of the State, shall be capable of holding any office or place of trust or profit in the civil department within this State.
~North Carolina Constitution, Article XXXII (1776)And that whenever fifteen or more male persons, not under twenty-one years of age, professing the Christian Protestant religion, and agreeing to unite themselves In a society for the purposes of religious worship, they shall, (on complying with the terms hereinafter mentioned,) be, and be constituted a church, and be esteemed and regarded in law as of the established religion of the State, and on a petition to the legislature shall be entitled to be incorporated and to enjoy equal privileges. That every society of Christians so formed shall give themselves a name or denomination by which they shall be called and known in law, and all that associate with them for the purposes of worship shall be esteemed as belonging to the society so called. But that previous to the establishment and incorporation of the respective societies of every denomination as aforesaid, and in order to entitle them thereto, each society so petitioning shall have agreed to and subscribed in a book the following five articles, without which no agreement fir union of men upon presence of religion shall entitle them to be incorporated and esteemed as a church of the established religion of this State:
1st. That there is one eternal God, and a future state of rewards and punishments.
2d. That God is publicly to be worshipped [sic].
3d. That the Christian religion is the true religion<
4th. That the holy scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are of divine inspiration, and are the rule of faith and practice.
5th. That it is lawful and the duty of every man being thereunto called by those that govern, to bear witness to the truth.
~South Carolina Constitution, Article XXXVIII (1778)And each member, before he takes his seat, shall make and subscribe the following declaration, viz. “I ____ do believe in one God, the Creator and Governor of the Diverse, the rewarder of the good and punisher of the wicked. And I do acknowledge the scriptures of the old and new testament to be given by divine inspiration, and own and profess the protestant religion.”
~Vermont Constitution, Chapter II, Section IX (1777)The governor shall be chosen [annually]; and no person shall be eligible to this office, unless at the time of his election, he shall have been an inhabitant of this commonwealth for seven years next preceding; [and unless he shall at the same time, be seised [sic] in his own right, of a freehold within the commonwealth of the value of one thousand pounds; and unless he shall declare himself to be of the Christian religion.] …
[Any person chosen governor, lieutenant governor, councillor [sic], senator or representative, and accepting the trust, shall before he proceed to execute the duties of his place or office, make and subscribe the following declaration, viz.–”I, A. B., do declare, that I believe the Christian religion, and have a firm persuasion of its truth; and that I am seised [sic] and possessed, in my own right, of the property required by the constitution as one qualification for the office or place to which I am elected.”
~Massachusetts Constitution, Chapter II, Section I, Article II; Chapter VI, Article I (1780) (drafted by, among others, John and Samuel Adams)
The Founders believed in revelation and reason without the Bible? Hardly. The Founders thought that Christianity and the Bible were incompatible with civil government? Don’t think so.
In spite of this mountain of glaring evidence above, it will probably be objected by some that the basic ideas of law, nature, God, etc, are still compatible with “theistic rationalism,” or (if I understand the implied definition correctly), accepting the existence of God, but rejecting direct revelation and the seemingly “irrational” Scriptures (the miraculous, Jesus’ divinity and atonement, the Trinity, etc.). It is true that there were some Founders whose beliefs do line up with this definition (Jefferson, probably Franklin, John Adams, and James Wilson). But this was not the overall view of the Founders.
This post is long enough already, and I think I have made my point by now.
My next post will be “Thoughts on Reason, Revelation, and the Bible.” It will explain my ideology and logic on this point, and therefore help explain why I believe that the Founders had a Biblical concept of government, and that, though they did heavily rely upon reason (and it is purely Scriptural to do so, as I will show in my next post), they did not place man’s reason above God’s law (in GENERAL; Jefferson’s writings show that he believed reason was above the Bible, though he believed the Bible was a great, if not the best, book).






18 Responses to “Reason v. Revelation? Part Two”
August 8th, 2007 at 3:51 am
It will take me a long time to digest this. And I certainly cannot respond to the entire thing right away. But let me first take a little piece. The quotation from Adams in 1813 with which I am very familiar and about which I have written many times:
The GENERAL PRINCIPLES on which the fathers achieved independence, were the only principles in which that beautiful assembly of young men could unite, and these principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were those GENERAL PRINCIPLES? I answer, the general principles of Christianity, in which all those sects [the Roman Catholics, Quakers, Presbyterians, Methodists, Moravians, and Universalists] were united, and the GENERAL PRINCIPLES of English and American liberty, in which all those young men united, and which had united all parties in America, in majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her independence. Now I will avow, that I then believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature and our terrestrial, mundane system.
This is not the proper place to stop the quotation. You’ve got to show what comes next to illustrate the proper context.
Now I will avow, that I then believed, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System. I could therefore safely say, consistently with all my then and present Information, that I believed they would never make Discoveries in contradiction to these general Principles. In favour of these general Principles in Phylosophy, Religion and Government, I could fill Sheets of quotations from Frederick of Prussia, from Hume, Gibbon, Bolingbroke, Reausseau and Voltaire, as well as Neuton and Locke: not to mention thousands of Divines and Philosophers of inferiour Fame.
Finding general principles of Christianity in Newton and Locke? Perhaps. But in the atheist Hume? The Deist Bolingbroke? And the French Philosophes Rousseau and Voltaire? Keep in mind during this time (1813) when Adams wrote to Jefferson he explicitly committed himself to theological unitarianism, universalism and syncretism.
Further, what you put in brackets when Adams discussed what “all those sects were united” in doesn’t tell the entire story either. You may be interested in this thread on Encyclopedia Britannica’s blog where Michael Novak, Dr. Gregg Frazer and I discuss this very quotation.
Dr. Frazer informs Novak, who quoted the very same passage you did:
In the previous paragraph, Adams spoke of the “fine young fellows” who conducted the Revolution. He said that they included all of the various denominations of protestants as well as “Deists and Atheists, and Protestants who believe nothing.” That is the context in which he speaks (as Novak quotes him) of “the general Principles of Christianity, in which all those Sects were United.” The “those Sects” includes deist, atheists, and those who believe nothing. This was clearly not the Christianity of the orthodox, who did not believe that deists, atheists, and those who believe nothing were united with true Christians on any principles of Christianity!
August 8th, 2007 at 4:17 am
John Adams didn’t agree with everything in the Bible, but did he think that it’s principles were contrary or alien to the form of government that the Founders established?
Again, watch for the strawman, and I caution that Adams is actually key to understanding that mean position between strict deism and orthodox Christianity, but with rationalism as the trumping element in which the key Founders — Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Hamilton, G. Morris, and Wilson — believed.
Adams, like the others I mentioned, did not reject the Bible, but rather thougt reason and revelation, for the most part, agreed. It’s just he/they believed the Bible was only partially inspired and that God primary revealed Himself through nature, not scripture. Therefore man’s reason took precedence over scripture in determining “the laws of nature” and God’s will.
Adams, in fact, claimed to revere the Bible. But not because it was infallible, but rather because it agreed with him and his “little phlyosophy” which was based on reason.
As Adams put it in his letter to Jefferson, Dec. 25, 1813. He first established “reason” or “philosophy” as the the primary revelation from God to man:
Phylosophy which is the result of Reason, is the first, the original Revelation of The Creator to his Creature, Man. When this Revelation is clear and certain, by Intuition or necessary Induction, no subsequent Revelation supported by Prophecies or Miracles can supercede it.
And then claims the Bible is such a great book, not because it supersedes philosophy or is infallible, but BECAUSE it contains more of his philosophy than any other book and agrees with him!
“I have examined all, as well as my narrow Sphere, my streightened means and my busy Life would allow me; and the result is, that the Bible is the best book in the World. It contains more of my little Phylosophy than all the Libraries I have seen: and such Parts of it as I cannot reconcile to my little Phylosophy I postpone for future investigation.”
Notice Adams says parts of the Bible he cannot reconcile with his “little philosophy” (derived from man’s reason) which he clearly views as supreme.
August 8th, 2007 at 4:48 am
One last post for tonight!
And each member, before he takes his seat, shall make and subscribe the following declaration, viz:
I do believe in one God, the creator and governor of the universe, the rewarder of the good and the punisher of the wicked. And I do acknowledge the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by Divine inspiration.
~ Pennsylvania Constitution, Article XVI, Section 10 (1776) (drafted by, among others, influential Founding Father Benjamin Franklin)
The mentioning of Franklin’s name is sloppy reporting. The key Founders — you know them — thought such sectarian religious tests violated natural right. Arguably they didn’t think any religious test appropriate (see Art. VI, cl. 3 of the US Constitution) but perhaps would be comfortable with one that merely required belief in the existence of God and a future state of rewards and punishment.
That said, Franklin, though he helped draft the PA’s Constitution which you referenced, was against its religious test in part because he couldn’t pass it!
As he wrote to John Calder on the matter:
I agreed with you in Sentiments concerning the Old Testament, and thought the Clause in our Constitution, which required the Members of Assembly to declare their belief that the whole of it was given by divine Inspiration, had better have been omitted. That I had opposed the Clause but being overpower’d by Numbers, and fearing might in future times be grafted on [it, I Pre]vailed to have the additional Clause that no [further or more ex]tended Profession of Faith should ever [be exacted. I ob]serv’d to you, too, that the Evil of it was [the less, as no In]habitant, nor any Officer of Government except the Members of Assembly, were oblig’d to make that Declaration. So much for that Letter. To which I may now add, that the[re are] several Things in the old Testament impossible to be given by divine Inspiration, such as the Approbation ascrib’d to the Angel of the Lord, of that abominably wicked and detestable Action of Jael the Wife of Heber the Kenite. If the rest of the Book were like that, I should rather suppose it given by Inspiration from another Quarter, and renounce the whole.
Franklin clearly had good reason to be against the religious test. He admits in this private letter that he doesn’t believe the Bible, in its entirely, was given by divine inspiration, thus would be barred from holding office under it. In 1786, he became governor of PA where he helped repeal such test.
Indeed, Benjamin Rush — originally an orthodox Christian, but later converted to universalism, believing all will eventually be saved — likewise despised PA’s religious test. Here are excerpts from two of his letters to English Whig, the unitarian Richard Price (who in turn greatly influenced our key Founders).
In the first, Rush calls such a test “a stain from the American Revolution.”
[15 Oct. 1785]
I took the liberty of publishing, with your name, your excellent letter on the test law of Pennsylvania. It has already had a great effect on the minds of many people, and I doubt not will contribute more than anything to repeal that law. Dr. Franklin, who has succeeded Mr. Dickinson as our governor, has expressed his surprise at the continuance of such a law since the peace, and we hope will add the weight of his name to yours to remove such a stain from the American Revolution.
And here he notes that such test was eventually repealed:
[22 Apr. 1786]
I am very happy in being able to inform you that the test law was so far repealed a few weeks ago in Pennsylvania as to confer equal privileges upon every citizen of the state. The success of the friends of humanity in this business should encourage them to persevere in their attempts to enlighten and reform the world. Your letter to me upon the subject of that unjust law was the instrument that cut its last sinew.
These religious tests may have been “founding documents,” but according to the key Founders they violated “the laws of nature” (in other words, the declaration of independence) as much as those founding documents justifying slavery did.
August 9th, 2007 at 1:59 am
Jonathan:
Your comments bring up some interesting points (although I do not think your are right 100%), but still, the evidence I presented and the point I made still stands: the Founding Fathers acknowledged the impact that the Bible had on their thinking, and they urged their fellow Americans to recognize that this was the case.
Did the Founders utilize their reason? Yes! They did not sit down, twiddle their thumbs, and wait for a lightning bolt from the sky — that is NOT what I am arguing. Is using reason un-Biblical? No! Does God expect people to reason? Yes! Is God against people asking hard questions? No, so long as they are willing to accept honest answers. BTW, in reference to your comment on Adams and the Bible, you said:
“Notice Adams says parts of the Bible he cannot reconcile with HIS “LITTLE PHILOSOPHY” (derived from man’s reason) which he clearly VIEWS AS SUPREME.” But the quote from Adams says:
“… such Parts of it as I cannot reconcile to my little Phylosophy I postpone for future investigation.” He did not “view his little philosophy as superior,” because he had not adequeately examined them yet, just as he said! Now, Adams did not agree with things in the Bible like the accounts of people being possessed by demons, but he did believe other things, and was, as this quote shows, willing to doubt his own judgment, or at least take more time to consider. But remember, just because John Adams said it doesn’t mean that all the Founders believed it, or even that it was the general view of the Founders.
As to your third comment, about Franklin and the Penn. state constitution:
You apparently are misunderstanding what “religious test” in the constitutions means. When these constitutions, and our national Constitution forbid religious tests, they were not forbidding religious requirements for office; the Founders were NOT saying “any person, religious or ‘non’ religious, can hold public office.” They were saying “Christians of any denomination can serve in public office; the government is prohibited from favoring Christians of certain denomination(s) with the ability to hold public office.” It is true that Rush and Franklin opposed the test law (I had not been aware of this until you mentioned it). Rush opposed the test law, not because he disbelieved in the inspiration of Scripture, but because he believed that men like Franklin (who had been his life-long friend) were still eligible for public office, and he thought the test law to restrictive.
But the Framers of the Constitution probably did not have Rush’s and Franklin’s objections to a religious test in mind when they forbade one in the Constitution, merely because the “religious test” tha was being prohibited in the Constitution was not the same kind of “test” that Rush and Franklin opposed. How is this true? According to John Church Hamilton (son of Alexander Hamilton), in his book The History of the Republic of the United States, volume 4, pp. 24-25, Alexander Hamilton was the one who introduced the clause into the Constitution that forbade a religious test. Hamilton had done something similar years earlier when he served in the New York State Assembly, in order that the religious rights of American Catholics might not be violated by the government, which, Hamilton pointed out, had no business meddling with an individual’s denomination. The issue that Hamilton was discussing did not extend to religious sects in general, but rather to Christian denominations. Furthermore, in a letter to John Jay written by Hamilton in 1801, Hamilton was panicking that Jefferson might become president, and expressed that all attempts to prevent Jefferson’s rise to the presidency could be justified as Constitutional because Jefferson was “an atheist in religion and a fanatic in politics.” Jefferson was probably not an atheist, but perhaps a deist, as Abigail Adams labelled him. So when Hamilton proposed a prohibition on a “religious test” for office, he was not saying “We don’t want the religious views of any man to be a consideration for his eligibility,” but rather “We don’t want the federal government to favor any particular denomination(s) by allowing ONLY their professed members to hodl public office, as was done in England and elsewhere.”
Another thing about the “religious test” is interesting. In the Tennessee State Constitution, which was first written up in 1796, stated in Article I, Section 4: “That no political or religious test, other than an oath to support the Constitution of the United States and of this state, shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under this state.” But it also said later on in Article IX, Section 2 that “No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of re-
wards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state.” So, the Founding Fathers were not trying to accept everybody, religious or non-religious into the government; they just wanted to prevent what the governments that they had been under had done previously: allowing one denomination to dominate the other Christian denominations by holding public positions.
August 9th, 2007 at 3:21 am
You apparently are misunderstanding what “religious test” in the constitutions means. When these constitutions, and our national Constitution forbid religious tests, they were not forbidding religious requirements for office; the Founders were NOT saying “any person, religious or ‘non’ religious, can hold public office.” They were saying “Christians of any denomination can serve in public office; the government is prohibited from favoring Christians of certain denomination(s) with the ability to hold public office.”
You have to look first and foremost to what the Constitution says and not read in things that you desire. There is no sound basis to believe that Art. VI Cl. 3 meant the Founders banned only religious tests for Christian sects but could still ban non-Christians from holding federal office. The text could have this but didn’t.
Yet, Art. VI Cl. 3 applied only to the federal government. States were free to impose tests which banned non-Christians (and non-Protestants) from office. And, as you’ve shown, some/many of them did. Whether Torcaso v. Watkins properly applied such standard to the states (I think it did) is another matter entirely. But as originally conceived, the federal government had no power to enforce the Bill of Rights or unalienable natural rights against state governments.
The debates from the state ratifications on the Constitution further illustrate the meaning of Art. VI, Cl. 3. Many potential ratifers, quite aware that were the Constitution ratified, non-Christians would now be eligible for election to public office, opposed its ratification for that reason.
For instance, one newspaper article suggested the Constitution was a bad idea because Art. VI Cl. 3 would permit the election of “Ist. Quakers, who will make the blacks saucy, and at the same time deprive us of the means of defence–2dly. Mahometans, who ridicule the doctrine of the Trinity–3dly. Deists, abominable wretches–4thly. Negroes, the seed of Cain–Sthly. Beggars, who when set on horse back will ride to the devil–6thly. Jews etc. etc.” The article also noted that since since the Constitution gave the President military power, “should he hereafter be a Jew, our dear posterity may be ordered to rebuild Jerusalem.” Many many other quotations exist that show the framers and ratifiers understood “no religious tests” meant “no religious tests” and that the federal government could not formally bar non-Christians or men of no religion from holding public office.
[See here and here for some good document of primary sources detailing state ratification debates and Article VI Cl. 3.]
Ultimately, a lot of orthodox Christians who were so concerned ratified the Constitution with the knowledge that the way to make sure only Christians were elected to office was to vote for only Christians. I’m sure you are familiar with John Jay’s quotation about Providence giving Christian men the right to vote for Christians only. That’s what Art. VI means: No formal religious tests. If the people want to elect a Muslim to public office, the federal government is powerless to impose a religious test that would prevent such. Rather, prevent Muslims from attaining public office by refusing to vote for them.
Whether Jay’s strategy was effective remains debatable. I know many folks genuinely believed Washington was an orthodox Trinitarian Christian (I don’t). And Madison’s creed has likewise been debated (because of his reticence to explicate his religious creed). Yet, Adams and Jefferson — our second and third Presidents — were not orthodox Trinitarian Christians who believed the entire Bible was given by divine inspiration (so arguably they weren’t “Christians” at all).
The republican process for selecting Presidents in our Constitution clearly failed to insure that the 2nd and 3rd (my personal belief is 1-5) Presidents were “real Christians” as evangelicals understand that term.
August 9th, 2007 at 3:47 am
Here’s a link to the NC ratifying convention from a website which I’m sure you trust (you may not like Jim Allison’s).
WEDNESDAY, July 30, 1788.
The last clause of the 6th article read.
Mr. HENRY ABBOT, after a short exordium, which was not distinctly heard, proceeded thus: Some are afraid, Mr. Chairman, that, should the Constitution be received, they would be deprived of the privilege of worshipping God according to their consciences, which would be taking from them a benefit they enjoy under the present constitution, They wish to know if their religious and civil liberties be secured under this system, or whether the general government may not make laws infringing their religious liberties. The worthy member from Edenton mentioned sundry political reasons why treaties should be the supreme law of the land. It is feared, by some people, that, by the power of making treaties, they might make a treaty engaging with foreign powers to adopt the Roman Catholic religion in the United States, which would prevent the people from worshipping God according to their own consciences. The worthy member from Halifax has in some measure satisfied my mind on this subject. But others may be dissatisfied. Many wish to know what religion shall be established. I believe a majority of the community are Presbyterians. I am, for my part, against any exclusive establishment; but if there were any, I would prefer the Episcopal. The exclusion of religious tests is by many thought dangerous and impolitic. They suppose that if there be no religious test required, pagans, deists, and Mahometans might obtain offices among us, and that the senators and representatives might all be pagans. Every person employed by the general and state governments is to take an oath to support the former. Some are desirous to know how and by whom they are to swear, since no religious tests are required — whether they are to swear by Jupiter, Juno, Minerva, Proserpine, or Pluto. We ought to be suspicious of our liberties. We have felt the effects of oppressive measures, and know the happy consequences of being jealous of our rights. I would be glad some gentleman would endeavor to obviate these objections, in order to satisfy the religious art of the society. Could I be convinced that the objections were well founded, I would then declare my opinion against the Constitution. [Mr. Abbot added several other observations, but spoke too low to be heard.]
Mr. IREDELL. Mr. Chairman, nothing is more desirable than to remove the scruples of any gentleman on this interesting subject. Those concerning religion are entitled to particular respect. I did not expect any objection to this particular regulation, which, in my opinion, is calculated to prevent evils of the most pernicious consequences to society. Every person in the least conversant in the history of mankind, knows what dreadful mischiefs have been committed by religious persecutions, Under the color of religious tests, the utmost cruelties have been exercised. Those in power have generally considered all wisdom centred in themselves; that they alone had a right to dictate to the rest of mankind; and that all opposition to their tenets was profane and impious. The consequence of this intolerant spirit had been, that each church has in turn set itself up against every other; and persecutions and wars of the most implacable and bloody nature have taken place in every part of the world. America has set an example to mankind to think more modestly and reasonably — that a man may be of different religious sentiments from our own, without being a bad member of society. The principles of toleration, to the honor of this age, are doing away those errors and prejudices which have so long prevailed, even in the most intolerant countries. In the Roman Catholic countries, principles of moderation are adopted which would have been spurned at a century or two ago. I should be sorry to find, when examples of toleration are set even by arbitrary governments, that this country, so impressed with the highest sense of liberty, should adopt principles on this subject that were narrow and illiberal.
I consider the clause under consideration as one of the strongest proofs that could be adduced, that it was the intention of those who formed this system to establish a general religious liberty in America.
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But it is objected that the people of America may, perhaps, choose representatives who have no religion at all, and that pagans and Mahometans may be admitted into offices. But how is it possible to exclude any set of men, without taking away that principle of religious freedom which we ourselves so warmly contend for? This is the foundation on which persecution has been raised in every part of the world. The people in power were always right, and every body else wrong. If you admit the least difference, the door to persecution is opened.
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It would be happy for mankind if religion was permitted to take its own course, and maintain itself by the excellence of its own doctrines. The divine Author of our religion never wished for its support by worldly authority. Has he not said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it? It made much greater progress for itself, than when supported by the greatest authority upon earth.
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I hope that I have in some degree satisfied the doubts of the gentleman. This article is calculated to secure universal religious liberty, by putting all sects on a level — the only way to prevent persecution. I thought nobody would have objected to this clause, which deserves, in my opinion, the highest approbation. This country has already had the honor of setting an example of civil freedom, and I trust it will likewise have the honor of teaching the rest of the world the way to religious freedom also. God grant both may be perpetuated to the end of time!
I would agree with you if you note the Founders preferred “religious” men as opposed to atheists take public office. A point I made in this post. But my research shows that the key Founders believed “religious” meant practically any religion, including many non-Judeo-Christian religions.
August 11th, 2007 at 12:57 am
“There is no sound basis to believe that Art. VI Cl. 3 meant the Founders banned only religious tests for Christian sects but could still ban non-Christians from holding federal office. The text could have this but didn’t.”
???? What about the information on Hamilton I presented above? You are denying that the Founders did exactly what he did! And he introduced the clause!
August 11th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
I’d like to see the text of the religious test clause with which Hamilton was involved in New York.
The bottom line is the text of the Art. VI c. 3 does not support the notion that there shall be no religious tests for Christian denominations but the federal government is free to impose religious tests for non-Christians. It could have said that but didn’t. And the ratifiers knew that by ratifying the document, non-Christians would now be eligible for public office. Christians simply believed that they could prevent non-Christians from taking federal office by not voting for them.
August 12th, 2007 at 6:34 pm
Here is the text of Hamilton’s speech in the NY Assembly, which touched on the issue of a “religious test” for becoming NY citizen, which was designed to make Catholics essentially abandon their religion in order to be a citizen of NY.
Here is my point on the “religious test” clause of the US Constitution:
Just as several STATE constitutions forbade favoring one denomination’s members with public office and rejecting another denomination’s by forbidding “religious tests,” so did the United States Constitution. If the Framers of the US Constitution meant to forbid a DIFFERENT religious test than was forbidden by the state constitutions, they would have made it clear. Experts on the Constitution, such as Donald S. Lutz, stress that the US Constitution must be read in light of the various state constitutions ( Origins of American Constitutionalism, p. 2).
August 14th, 2007 at 3:33 am
I don’t see anything in what you’ve linked from Hamilton that supports the notion that he endorsed a “Christian” religious test that wouldn’t discriminate between the sects, but wouldn’t bar non-Christians from taking office.
Clauses in state constitutions might shed light on similarly worded clauses in the federal; but if they use different words, they are likely referring to two different things.
“No religious test” means no religious test. It doesn’t mean you really can have religious tests for non-Christians. It would say that if that’s what the Founders wanted.
I think I take a pretty conservative view of that clause. It just means the federal government couldn’t erect any kind of formal religious test to bar anyone — a Christian or an atheist — from taking federal office. States could; but now can’t since the 14th Amendment incorporated religious rights against the states.
If a President, for instance, wanted to take religion into account in selecting members for his cabinent or appointments to the Courts, I think that’s constitutional as long as no formal religious test is ever constructed for them to take.
August 14th, 2007 at 3:37 am
If the Framers of the US Constitution meant to forbid a DIFFERENT religious test than was forbidden by the state constitutions, they would have made it clear.
I think Art. VI, Cl. 3 indeed does make this clear.
“The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.“
[My Emphasis.]
August 14th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
I still think that you are misunderstanding what a “religious” test is. In the Constitution, and in the Founding Fathers’ writings, “religion” was a reference to GENERAL Christianity. Noah Webster (a Founding Father, and author of an 1828 dictionary, as you know) defined religion:
“Religion, in its most comprehensive sense, includes a belief in the being and perfections of God, in the revelation of his will to man, in man’s obligation to obey his commands, in a state of reward and punishment, and in man’s accountableness to God; and also true godliness or piety of life, with the practice of all moral duties. It therefore comprehends theology, as a system of doctrines or principles, as well as practical piety; for the practice of moral duties without a belief in a divine lawgiver, and without reference to his will or commands, is not religion.”
In the state constitutions, a “religious test” meant a “denominational test,” so in the Constitution, it meant a “denominational test.” The Founders never specified IN THE CONSTITUTION whether or not atheists, etc. could be eligible for office. The term “religious” in “religious test” was not a reference to “religion” in the broader sense of the word; just denominations.
The Founders sought to bar atheists, etc. from public office by other means, if that should have ever become necessary (atheism was not popular in America, and Americans viewed atheism as repugnant to everything our nation stood for and was founded upon, so the Founders didn’t expect atheists to have enough popular support to even get close to being elected).
August 15th, 2007 at 1:22 am
In the Constitution, and in the Founding Fathers’ writings, “religion” was a reference to GENERAL Christianity.
This is not the case.
What’s complicated is, I think, for many in the population at that time, they probably did equate “religion” with Christianity. However, I can take you Founder-by-Founder (if you’d like) from Washington, to Adams, to Jefferson, to Madison, to Franklin and show you that when they said “religion” they meant “religion,” not Christianity.
In essence, what you’d have to argue is the key Founders — the first four Presidents and Ben Franklin, the men whose faces grace our currency — were in the minority in thinking “religion” meant “religion,” not Christianity.
Plus, I’ve already shown you much evidence from the ratification debates showing ratifiers knew the term “religion” meant “religion,” not “the Christian religion.”
On Church & State in VA, Madison & Jefferson both testified that Jefferson’s VA Statute on Religious Liberty — a statute based on natural right (another way of saying “the laws of nature and nature’s God”) protected in Jefferson’s words, “the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination.”
J&M, in that statute, argued it violated natural right to use tax dollars to aid a religion in which one didn’t agree. Washington took a little different approach thinking it fine to use tax dollars to aid the Christian religion. Yet, he specifically stated he thought non-Christians, because they equally possessed unalienable rights of conscience, were entitled to exemptions or accomodations from those laws.
As Washington noted::
I am not amongst the number of those who are so much alarmed at the thoughts of making people pay towards the support of that which they profess, if of the denomination of Christians; or declare themselves Jews, Mahomitans or otherwise, and thereby obtain proper relief. As the matter now stands, I wish an assessment had never been agitated, and as it has gone so far, that the Bill could die an easy death; because I think it will be productive of more quiet to the State, than by enacting it into a Law; which, in my opinion, would be impolitic, admitting there is a decided majority for it, to the disquiet of a respectable minority.
I wrote a long post replete with references that only scratch the surface of the primary sources, indeed, one that could develop into an article, a series of articles, perhaps a book, which explains why the term “religion,” in the original Constitution meant “religion” not “the Christian religion.”
I might agree that the Founders leaders leaders be religious, not atheists (and “sound religion” to them included Christianity, Judaism, Deism, Unitarianism, Islam, Hinduism, Native American Spirituality, and Pagan Greco-Romanism) but I still see no authority in Art. VI, Cl. 3 to impose a religious test to root out atheists.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:25 am
[Last paragraph should say:]
I might agree that the Founders desired leaders be religious, not atheists (and “sound religion” to them included Christianity, Judaism, Deism, Unitarianism, Islam, Hinduism, Native American Spirituality, and Pagan Greco-Romanism) but I still see no authority in Art. VI, Cl. 3 to impose a religious test to root out atheists.
August 18th, 2007 at 12:51 am
The Founders weren’t concerned (in the Constitution) with rooting out atheists! Atheists weren’t a concern! The concern was preventing an established form of Christianity in America.
Sigh. It is hard to keep comments brief, so I will write a post on this when I can in the future. I will explain my point concisely and clearly then, and I will present the evidence, pro and con, to it.
You said something very interesting though (i.e., shocking). You claim that the Founders believed that theistic religions really worship the same God, and that all religions are equally valid. I find no such belief in their writings, only that all religions should be equally tolerated, and conversions should not be forced by coercion.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:15 pm
I find no such belief in their writings, only that all religions should be equally tolerated, and conversions should not be forced by coercion.
Have you seen subsequent quotations that I’ve offered since you wrote this post?
I’m sure that Jefferson, Franklin and Adams believed exactly this, because they said so numerous times. Likewise I think Washington and Madison believed this because they hinted towards it.
All religions were “sound” or valid paths to God. Christianity may have had some advantage not as the exclusive way to God, but rather because Jesus’ moral teachings were superior.
August 23rd, 2007 at 10:49 pm
hercules mulligan said…
You said something very interesting though (i.e., shocking). You claim that the Founders believed that theistic religions really worship the same God, and that all religions are equally valid. I find no such belief in their writings, only that all religions should be equally tolerated, and conversions should not be forced by coercion.>>
Jonathon said…
I’m sure that Jefferson, Franklin and Adams believed exactly this, because they said so numerous times. Likewise I think Washington and Madison believed this because they hinted towards it.>>
It would indeed be interesting to see quotes from Adams, Madison, and Washington of your assertion, while they formed the govt.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:28 am
James,
I’ve offered quotations from Adams in a publicly published book from the Constitution era (1787) equating “religion and morality” with the worship of Zeus and pagan-Greco-Roman gods.
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