Reviewing the Testimonies of the Reverends Wilson and Abercrombie
Many of the witnesses that have been called forth from years past to testify in favor of George Washington’s skepticism are the Reverends James Renwick Wilson and James Abercrombie. Their testimonies that Washington was an unbeliever are usually used as unequivocal support that he was indeed an unbeliever. These testimonies are usually used to contradict those of Washington’s own family members, who were convinced that he was a Christian.
However, the testimonies of Abercrombie and Wilson are accepted as proof of Washington’s unbelief because they claim that Washington refused to take communion. This supposed refusal is taken in turn, as proof that Washington was not a Christian. Let me simply say that this is very poor proof, for several reasons:
- Not all Christians take communion, and one does not have to take communion to be a Christian. Christianity is not a religion of sacraments and rituals, but of faith and corresponding works.
- Historians cannot always assert the motive of people for doing or not doing certain things. Since we are 200 years removed from Washington and his time (and the religious atmosphere of 18th-century America was much different than today), and there are many possible motives for Washington to have avoided taking communion, it is even more difficult for us to positively determine why, according to these two witnesses and a few others, Washington did not take communion.
I could go on this head for a while, but that is not the purpose of this post. Even in the decades succeeding Washington’s death, people were debating his beliefs hotly also, although the general consensus among the American public was that he was a Christian. Others contested that consensus, and appealed to the words of men like Wilson and Abercrombie.
I would like to present to my readers a lengthy excerpt from the Appendix of Discussion on the Existence of God and the Authenticity of the Bible (1853), which is a debate in the correspondence of Origen Bacheler (the Christian) and Robert Dale Owen (the skeptic), pp. 225-235. Over the course of these pages, more was discussed than the topic in question, so only the relevant parts are presented. You can read the pages yourself here.
… The sentence from Weems’ Life of Washington, produced by Mr. Owen is shown by its style to have been only designed as a sally of fancy. A wonderful reason this, for rejecting as false the grave, historical part of the account. As to Jefferson’s testimony touching the skepticism of Washington, he has given none such: he did none pretend to be the author of it; nor did Morris pretend that Washington told him he did not believe in Christianity. And the statement of Jefferson, that Washington in his public documents spake favourably of Christianity but once, I have amply refuted, by extracts from the documents themselves. That the Rev. Mr. Jackson, more than thirty years after the death of Washington, has not chanced to find any of the few surviving scattered individuals who communed with him, (if indeed any are still living,) is about as strong evidence of his skepticism, as that he did not deliver a long Christian valedictory in his dying hour, when he could hardly articulate a syllable on account of his quincy. I have proved positively that he was a professor of religion; that he was a communicant; that he was in the habit of secret prayer, &c. &c.: and I have now only to add, that if he cannot be proved to have been a believer in Christianity, no man can.
I do not perceive the irrationality of the question proposed by Ethan Allen’s daughter to her father. She very naturally concluded that if he would give his real opinion at such a time, and if that opinion was, that infidelity would not do to die by, it would be a reason why it should not be confided in at all, and would likewise show that the reasons which her father had urged in its behalf were unsound even in his own estimation. It was therefore the highest rationality, to put this question precisely under the circumstances that she did.
Jefferson might construe that into skepticism which perhaps another would not. As John Adams was a member of a congregational church, he was either a believer in Christianity or a hypocrite. Should Mr. Owen therefore succeed in proving him to have been a skeptic, he will in so doing likewise prove him to have been a hypocrite; in which case, he would be perfectly welcome to him. Considering, however, the mistakes to which Jefferson was liable, and the testimony furnished in Rev. Mr. Whitney’s letter, I rest very easy on this point.
Franklin’s case will do very well without further defence, while his epitaph remains, and his condemnation of his youthful skepticism retains a place in his memoirs.
My opponent has made a rather slim work, in his attempt to substantiate his assertion, that three quarters in our revolutionary struggle were sceptics. Ethan Allen was not a leader, unless there were a great many leaders; for he was only a colonel. Samuel Adams, John Hancock, and Patrick Henry, three of the most conspicuous leaders, were decided friends of Christianity. This will not be disputed. Washington and John Adams were communicants in churches. Franklin shows himself to have been a believer in the Bible. And there were many other distinguished leaders, such as Laurens, Gates, Greene, Putnam, Montgomery, Warren, &c., &c., none of whom has my opponent even attempted to prove have been sceptics. What then becomes of his assertion? ORIGEN BACHELER…. R. D. O. Albany, November 12, 1831.
P.S. I am now enabled to furnish two further documents relative to the private opinions of distinguished republicans. One is, an extract from a sermon delivered on the 23rd October last by Rev. Dr. Wilson, a clergyman of Albany, and reputed to be a man of as much zeal and learning as any in the city; a sermon, I may incidentally remark, in which Dr. W. says, in speaking of the framing of the Constitution of the United States, that “the proceedings as published by Thompson, the secretary, show, that the question was gravely debated in Congress whether God should be in the Constitution or not, and after solemn debate he was deliberately voted out of it;” that “the men whose arguments swayed to vote God out of the Constitution, to declare that there should be no religious test, and that Congress should make no law to establish religion, were atheists in principle; that among our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than unitarianism;* that among all of the governors of Pennsylvania and New-York only two of the former and one of the latter were professors of religion. &c.” In this sermon, as reported in the Daily Advertiser of this city (of the 29th October last) occurs the following paragraph:
“Washington was a man of valour and wisdom. He was esteemed by the whole world as a great and good man, but he was not a professor of religion, at least not till after he was president. When the Congress sat in Philadelphia, President Washington attended the episcopal church. the rector, Dr. Abercrombie, has told me, that on the days when the sacrament of the Lord’s supper was to be administered, Washington’s custom was to rise, just before the ceremony commenced, and to walk out of the church. This became a subject of remark among the congregation, as setting a bad example. At length the doctor undertook to speak of it, with a direct allusion to the president. Washington was heard afterwards to remark, that this was the first time a clergyman had thus preached to him, and that he would henceforth neither trouble the doctor nor his congregation on such occasions. And ever after that, upon communion days, he absented himself altogether from the church.”
As this important paragraph, being only from a newspaper report of a sermon, could hardly be considered authentic, I myself called, accompanied by a gentleman of this city, on Dr. Wilson, this afternoon. After giving my name, and stating the object of my visit, I read to the doctor, at his request, the above paragraph. When I had completed, he said: “I endorse every word of that.” He further added: “As I conceive that truth is truth, whether it makes for or against us, I will not conceal from you any information on this subject, even such as I have not yet given to the public. At the close of our conversation on the subject, Dr. Abercrombie’s emphatic expression was, for I well remember the very words, ‘Sir, Washington was a deist!’ Now,” continued Dr. Wilson, “I have diligently perused every line that Washington ever gave to the public, and I do not find one expression in which he pledges himself as a professor of Christianity. I think any man who will candidly do as I have done, will come to the conclusion that he was a deist, and nothing more. I do not take upon myself to say positively that he was, but that is my opinion.”
Dr. Abercrombie, the associate of Bishop White in the pastoral care of Christ’s Church in Philadelphia, is now alive, to corroborate the statement of his brother clergyman. So much for WASHINGTON, of whom you say, if he cannot be proved a Christian, no human being can.
The admissions of opponents are, as you once reminded me, “so much pure gold.” I therefore the more willingly adduce so unquestionable authority. R. D. O. John Adams and his son, he thinks, were unitarians; in inquired himself, he said, of Madison what were his opinions on religion, and Madison “evaded any expression whatever of his religious faith;” of Monroe’s opinions, he says, he knows little, except that he never heard of any religious profession from him; and Jackson, he believes, though not a regular professor either, is the most religious president we have ever had. O. B. …
“With regard to the Postscript of Mr. Owen from Albany, I have to observe, that I have dispatch three letters to the Rev. Dr. Wilson, requesting him to give the names of those atheists whose arguments swayed the Convention that formed the Constitution of the United States to vote the name of God out of it; but no answer have I succeeded in getting from him. This assertion of the doctor must therefore pass for an unsustained one. Indeed, in the very next breath, in the sermon under consideration, he contradicts it by saying, that some of the men were deists. So much for his testimony on that point. Besides, the fact that a religious test is excluded from the Constitution, is no proof that its framers were not even Christians. I have received a letter from Rev. Dr. Abercrombie; but as he wishes not to appear before the public in print, I shall not insert it. I will only say, that he denies all recollection of having told Rev. Dr. Wilson that Washington was a deist, and says it was evidence he was a professing Christian, though he did not commune in his church. The following additional testimony relative to the religious character of Washington I have received from Rev. Mr. Jackson of Alexandria:
Alexandria, Nov. 22, 1831. ‘I have heard my grandfather, the Rev. Lee Massey, who was a rector of Pohick Church, near Mount Vernon, say, that General Washington was a communicant in his church. The above information was given in answer to a question after returning from Pohick Church, where I occupied the general’s pew. The substance of the grandfather’s reply was, that he (the general) was a communicant, and that a better Christian never lived or died. MARGARET M. GREER
DEAR SIR,
Your letter found me in the bustle of changing my residence. I have however given it my attention. The above certificate is the best information I can at present obtain, and ought to be sufficient. Mrs. Greer is a very respectable lady, and may be depended upon. A daughter of the Rev. Mr. Massey is expected in town, from whome I have the hope of obtaining some of General Washington’s letters.
The parish of Pohick has not had a rector, I believe, since the general’s death. He afterwards attended in Alexandria. This accounts for the church not giving the evidence which you desire.
I beg you will make use of me again, should the case require.
Yours very respectfully, WILLIAM JACKSON
[To] Mr. Origen Bacheler, New-York. Alexandria, Dec. 7, 1831.DEAR SIR,
I am sorry, after so long a delay in replying to your last, that it is not in my power to communicate something decisive in reference to General Washington’s church membership. The branch of the family from whom I hoped to obtain information, are yet absent from Mount Vernon on account of sickness, and I now begin to think it doubtful whether they will be there this winter. Nor can I find any old person who ever communed with him, though not one expresses any doubt on the subject. It may seem strange that none can certify the fact; but it is not difficult to account for, when we remember, that the parish to which he belonged has not had a rector for, perhaps, thirty years; that the number of the communicants in the episcopal churches after the revolution was very small, and those probably, in general, persons advanced in years; and further, that none of the church records can be found. All these circumstances render it exceedingly difficult to obtain such testimony as is desirable. Universal tradition in the families of those whose parents or friends were acquainted with the general, is, that he was a regular communicant.
I may say again, that all his relations in this part of the country are decidedly of opinion that he was a professed and real Christian, and in full standing as a member of the protestant episcopal church. I regret that the pains I have taken to gain satisfactory evidence have not been more successful, though I think it ought and will be deemed sufficient by all but such as are determined to believe, that they have the sanction of his great name on the side of infidelity.
Wishing you may be more successful in some other quarter,
With respect yours,
WILLIAM JACKSON
[To] Mr. Origen Bacheler, New-York.… In view of the foregoing, the reader will see what dependence is to be placed on the pretensions and assertions of sceptics with regard to the religious opinions of our other distinguished men. Could the inquiry be made, we have now fair grounds for concluding, that it would result in their cases as it has resulted in those now under consideration. I have but to add by way of conclusion, that it appears by the Evangelist, that Rev. Dr. Wilson is an opposer of revivals in religion. This circumstance will have its proper weight with the public, whenever they think of his concessions to Mr. Owen.
ORIGEN BACHELER.
Mr. Owen, apparently, never rebutted Mr. Bacheler’s counter-arguments. The whole of this conversation is well-worth studying. Many of the lies that have been used to say that Washington was definitely an unbeliever are contradicted. First of all, the statement attributed by Abercrombie (“Sir, Washington was a deist!”) is at best, unconfirmed, if not totally false. What then, did Abercrombie think of Washington’s Christianity?
The letter of Rev. Abercrombie to Mr. Bacheler, which Bacheler alluded to above, did finally make it in print, and can be read in this issue of the Magazine of American History. It was found in the cover of one of the volumes of Abercrombie’s published sermons, owned by himself, and it was found with the above-quoted selection of Rev. Wilson’s sermon.
The Abercrombie letter is somewhat lengthy, so I will only present the last half, but you may read the reprint in its entirety here
[O]n Sacrament Sundays, Gen’l Washington, immediately after the Desk and Pulpit services, went out with the greater part of the congregation, always leaving Mrs. Washington with the communicants, she invariablybeing one, I considered it my duty, in a sermon on Public Worship, to sate the unhappy tendency of example, particularly of those in elevated stations, who invariably turned their backs upon the celebration of the Lord’s Supper. I acknowledge the remark was intended for the President, and, as such, he received it. A few days after, in conversation with, I believe, a Senator of the U. S., he told me he had dined the day before with the President, who, in the course of conversation at the table, said, that on the preceding Sunday, he had received a very just reproof from the public, for always leaving the church before the administration of the Sacrament; that he honored the preacher for his integrity and candour; that he had never considered the influence of his example; that he would never again give cause for the repetition of the reproof; and that, as he had never become a communicant, were he to become one then, it would be imputed to an ostentatious display of religious zeal arising altogether from his elevated station. Accordingly, he afterwards never came on the morning of Sacrament Sundays, tho’, at other times, constant attending in the morning.
Of the assertion made by Dr. Wilson in the conclusion of a paragraph of your letter, I cannot say I have not the least recollection of such a conversation, but had I made use of the expression stated, it could not have extended father than the expression of private individual opinion. That Washington was a professing Christian is evident from his regular attendance in our church; but, Sir, I cannot consider any man as a real Christian who uniformly disregards an ordinance so solemnly enjoined by the divine Author of our holy religion, and considered as a channel of divine grace. This, Sir, is all that I think it proper to state on paper. In a conversation, more latitude being allowed, more light might, perhaps, be thrown upon it. I trust, however, Sir, you will not introduce my name in print.
I am, Sir, Yrs. James Abercrombie (original added)
(I, “Hercules Mulligan,” apologize to Rev. Abercrombie for not honoring his wish that his letter not appear in print, but I add as my excuse the insatiable interest of the public, as well as the general good.)
These were the personal considerations of Rev. Abercrombie. There are several things I would like to point out about his letter:
- Rev. Abercrombie was only an assistant rector of Christ Church in Philadelphia, which Washington attended during the latter years of his presidency, but not throughout his life. As can be detected from the letter, Abercrombie’s reflections on Washington’s religion come from a distant observer over a comparatively short period of time; Abercrombie was not as intimately acquainted with Washington as Washington’s own friends, family members, and neighbors. As an eyewitness, Abercrombie is a good witness, and appears to be speaking sincerely from the letter above; however, he is not as qualified an authority on Washington’s motives and habits as those closer to Washington.
- Abercrombie said that he believed Washington a “professor of Christianity” (the fact that Washington attended church on Sunday was sufficient for him). But Abercrombie said that, in his own opinion, no one could be a real (or regenerate) Christian if he did not take the communion. Abercrombie gave the usual Anglican explanation: you can’t have God’s grace imparted to you without the communion, and since Washington was not a communicant, he didn’t have God’s grace. However, a biblical understanding of the matter does not support Abercrombie’s (or the theological Anglican) opinion. The Bible says that grace comes only through faith in Jesus Christ (see, for instance, Paul’s epistles). Therefore, I believe that Abercrombie’s conclusion is inaccurate.
- Abercrombie states that someone (who he thought was a U. S. Senator), who had dined with President Washington shortly after Abercrombie’s admonition, told Abercrombie that Washington told him (the Senator) that he had never been a communicant. Supposing that this is a true relation of what Washington said (and let me say that not all witnesses agree with this; see here and here), we still cannot conclude that Washington was not a communicant because of unbelief, for the reasons already mentioned. What is further interesting about the account that Abercrombie stated above, is that Washington stated his reason for not becoming a communicant in the middle of his presidency:were he to become one then, it would be imputed to an ostentatious display of religious zeal arising altogether from his elevated station.” In other words, Washington did not even want to give the slightest appearance of hypocrisy. This is totally consistent with Washington’s behavior, and with the behavior of a Christian whose religion he views as an obligation to God, and not to please man.
I therefore conclude that the evidence favors Washington’s Christianity (especially in light of the other evidence I have covered here and here), and that the opposition (which bears the burden of proof) has presented nothing definitive or conclusive.
I will deal with related subjects in the future, as I find the opportunity.






14 Responses to “Reviewing the Testimonies of the Reverends Wilson and Abercrombie”
June 9th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Abercrombie had said, “but, Sir, I cannot consider any man as a real Christian who uniformly disregards an ordinance so solemnly enjoined by the divine Author of our holy religion, and considered as a channel of divine grace.” WHY does no one ever question Abercrombie and his belief that the Eucharist makes a Christian? Where the heck is that in the Bible? Why is it that Washington’s faith is picked apart?! Abercrombie is the real scoundrel here. Abercrombie might as well be saying, “Washington doesn’t participate in the Eucharist ceremony that I believe one must do to be called a Christian.”
If I was a member of this church, I, a Christian, would have walked out as well, and not returned. Jesus never established the Eucharist, with its babylonian magic spells in the Episcopal and Catholic churches.
And partaking of this heretical ritual does not make one a Christian! Nor does abstaining not make one a Christian! Ugh!
Go, Washington, go!
June 9th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Hi Anonymous. Welcome to my blog, and thanks so much for commenting.
WHY does no one ever question Abercrombie and his belief that the Eucharist makes a Christian? Where the heck is that in the Bible?
GOOD question. I think this shows how many flawed assumptions people bring (and in some cases, stubbornly cling to) into investigating this issue.
People may make that assumption for two reasons: either because they really believe that taking communion is an essential part of being a Christian, or because that is the easiest argument to use to “prove” that Washington couldn’t have been a Christian. The argument from silence is nothing solid, and yet this is all they really have to work with if they want to “prove” that Washington was an unbeliever. So they operate on the presuppositions of the religious (but not necessarily Christian) group, in order to make these religious people believe their argument that Washington was not a Christian. They then go to other Christians and say, “Look! Here are evangelical, orthodox scholars who believe Washington wasn’t a Christian!” Whoop-dee-doo. That doesn’t prove anything.
And partaking of this heretical ritual does not make one a Christian! Nor does abstaining not make one a Christian! Ugh!
Exactly! This constitutes my own frustration with discussing the “communion issue.” It proves nothing aye or nay; but those who belief Washington was an unbeliever have very little else to work with, so it seems they keep regurgitating this one. Sigh.
I agree with you completely. Thanks for leaving your comment.
June 11th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
And partaking of this heretical ritual does not make one a Christian! Nor does abstaining not make one a Christian! Ugh!
Ugh! If this is such a heretical ritual then why was GW a member of this Church!?! It’s not as though he didn’t have any options. There were far more Presbyterian or Baptists Churches than Unitarian Churches from which GW to choose if he really were an orthodox Christian who simply didn’t believe in the heretical act of “taking communion” which by the way the Bible commands one to do in the Last Supper!
June 11th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Hi Jon. I don’t know how often you plan to leave comments here, but since you bring up the objection, I will answer it.
Ugh! If this is such a heretical ritual then why was GW a member of this Church!?! It’s not as though he didn’t have any options.
Wrong; Washington didn’t have any options. In order to serve his state in public office, one was obligated to be a member of the Anglican Church. So, Washington didn’t really have a choice.
I am not debating whether or not Washington was a good Anglican. One can be a good Christian without being a good Anglican, or a good member of any denomination. I am not trying to establish that, because perfectly fitting in a particular denomination is not necessary for one to be truly orthodox. Washington may have questioned his own denomination; but I have no evidence that he questioned the Bible. If anything, he said it was the revealed word of God, and he made no exception to that rule.
“the Bible commands one to do [take communion] in the Last Supper!”
If so, than Washington would not be disobeying the Bible; because the Catholic/Anglican version is more pagan than biblical.
Also, the Bible does not say that you must take communion in order to be a Christian. All Jesus said was to do it in remembrance of Him, and His covenant.
June 12th, 2008 at 1:43 am
I’m not going to bug you with comments. I responded in a long post on my blogs. You are more than welcome to respond on American Creation or any of my blogs or use it as a dropping off point for your next post on your blogs.
Cheers,
JR
June 12th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
So, what do you think it says of the character and integrity, not to mention the Christianity, of the anointed father of our nation that he would remain silent on such a “heresy” as the act of communion while accommodating his wife in the act without so much as a hint of objection?
With eternal damnation on the line do you really think that he would have remained completely silent on such a weighty matter of conscience? Surely a real Christian would come to the aid of loved ones and friends. Is there something in the record that has been missed by so many?
In my humble opinion this would not reflect well on either his character and integrity or his Christianity.
June 12th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Hello Jimmiraybob. Thanks for your comment.
So, what do you think it says of the character and integrity, not to mention the Christianity, of the anointed father of our nation that he would remain silent on such a “heresy” as the act of communion while accommodating his wife in the act without so much as a hint of objection?
I am not asserting positively that Washington thought that the Anglican beliefs concerning the communion were the reason he abstained from it. He may have disagreed with them, but that is only a possibility.
Perhaps a more significant reason for not taking communion would be to avoid becoming officially affiliated with a particular denomination, which is exactly what Washington (who was always urging unity among the various Christian denominations) would have done.
I don’t think Washington believed that he needed to take communion in order to receive the grace of God, and I don’t think he believed in something as superstitious as transubstantiation. However, Washington probably did not think that communion was a terribly big deal; this would explain why he never became a communicant (at least according to Abercrombie’s testimony), and why he never shunned his friends and his wife from participating in it themselves. Knowing Martha Washington, she was most likely doing what she was doing as unto God, and not unto her Anglican bishop. And since Washington believed that religious matters were a matter between one’s own conscience and God, he seems to have respected her custom.
With eternal damnation on the line do you really think that he would have remained completely silent on such a weighty matter of conscience? Surely a real Christian would come to the aid of loved ones and friends. Is there something in the record that has been missed by so many?
I don’t know for sure that people face eternal damnation for taking communion, under any forms. I also don’t know if Mrs. Washington believed in transubstantiation, etc., herself either — was she really that blind? Again, Washington may not have thought communion a big deal, and so IF he kept silent (I am not aware of any records, but I may have missed something), this may have been the reason.
In my humble opinion this would not reflect well on either his character and integrity or his Christianity.
Washington did not always openly express what he believed, especially if the issue was somewhat controversial; his friends and observers noted how he always avoided speaking about himself, and how reserved he was on his opinions on topics of nearly every kind — he had a very reserved and humble character.
If he had serious reservations about the communion (he may have had them or he may not have had them), he probably would have expressed them to his wife, privately. But I am not aware of any record, or any circumstantial evidence (again, I may be ignorant in this) that indicates this.
It seems to me, based upon what I know, that Washington may not have agreed with the Anglican view of communion. But he may not have thought communion as such a big deal, and therefore did not see it as affecting salvation or damnation either way. So I don’t think that his silence, either way, affects his Christianity, or his integrity. Washington was clearly a man of piety and integrity.
Washington may have had an opinion of communion, similar to the opinion the Apostle Paul had of circumcision:
“For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails anything, but faith working through love” (Galatians 5:6, NKJV)
And again,
“For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation” (Galatians 6:15, NKJV)
Washington’s religious creed in this matter may have been simply, “For in Christ Jesus, neither communion nor no communion avails anything [i. e., affects my salvation], but faith working through love.” Washington’s motto “Deeds, not Words,” seems to indicate that he bore this mindset in some way; in other words, he believed that God placed priority on righteous conduct, not on religious forms and professions.
Thanks for asking this question. I hope that my lengthy reply satisfactorily answered.
June 13th, 2008 at 1:30 am
Hey Herc,
Yeah, he could have walked out on communion because he didn’t like the denomination, but, is that what Christians do? I don’t know any Christian that would walk out of communion, except maybe a catholic one, but, not a protestant one.
However, you may be right. I still don’t know.
your obedient servant
OTF
June 13th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Thanks for your response. I think very highly of both Washington’s character and integrity and agree that if he felt communion to be harmful that he most certainly would have expressed that sentiment in some way and, given the nature of the subject, that some shred of evidence would have survived. That he respected the rights of conscience of others certainly didn’t commit him to silence even if he was reluctant to express himself for the public record.
Since there is such a solid wall between his civic personae and any religious belief that he may have held in private I don’t make any attempt to assign views to fit my opinion. I agree whole heartedly that he was a man that expressed civic virtue through action – a leader in deed not word. And there’s no question that at the time of the Enlightenment that the Revolutionary leaders were informed by Orthodox Christian and secular rational philosophical ideas. Whether his selfless virtue is a result of Christian faith or an inner non-religious personal resolve or both I leave to those who have more time for deliberation.
Again, thanks for your thoughtful reply.
June 14th, 2008 at 1:32 am
Hi OFT. Thanks for commenting.
Yeah, he could have walked out on communion because he didn’t like the denomination, but, is that what Christians do?
Maybe, but then again, maybe not. It is very difficult to judge intentions on this matter, which is why I prefer to avoid the communion issue when discussing Washington’s faith — or indeed, anyone’s faith. Unless there is a stated motive for taking or abstaining from it, any conclusion on motive is very inconclusive — it doesn’t prove or disprove one’s Christianity.
The only reason I addressed it in the above post was merely to demonstrate that the motive of skepticism is not the explanation that most likely fits all the pieces of the puzzle together. Washington was a man of great piety and godly fear; his writings show that he believed himself to be a Christian, and even Abercrombie believed that Washington thought himself a Christian by his faithful attendance to a Christian church.
From the knowledge that I have gained of Washington’s own sentiments, religious and other (from his own writings), I think that the explanation that he wanted to avoid an official attachment to a particular denomination is more likely the reason for his abstinence, AND why he never seemed to have disapproved of, say, his wife’s participation. He seemed to think that the communion wasn’t a big deal as far as salvation went, which (from my knowledge of the Bible), is a justified belief.
I don’t know any Christian that would walk out of communion, except maybe a catholic one, but, not a protestant one.
I am not an expert on Catholic and Anglican denominations, but I think their traditions on communion are quite the same. The more I learn about the two of them, I find that original British Anglicanism (and Abercrombie was a tory sympathizer during the Revolution, so his religious beliefs were very likely along the British-Anglican line) has really very little difference from the Roman Catholic denomination — the only exception being that the English monarch, and not the Romish pope, is viewed as the head of the Anglican church. But everything else in their doctrine is very similar. So, Catholic and Anglican communion would probably be very similar.
I hope that answers the matter sufficiently.
God bless you.
June 14th, 2008 at 2:08 am
Hi Jimmiraybob. Thanks for your reply.
I think very highly of both Washington’s character and integrity and agree that if he felt communion to be harmful that he most certainly would have expressed that sentiment in some way and, given the nature of the subject, that some shred of evidence would have survived.
You are absolutely right. I think so, too.
That he respected the rights of conscience of others certainly didn’t commit him to silence even if he was reluctant to express himself for the public record.
I think you are right here, too. The more I learn about Washington, the more I am impressed by his sense of right and truth I think that if he really thought that communion (at least in the contorted manner commonly observed in the Catholic and Anglican denominations) was harmful, he would have said something.
What I was trying to say was, that he probably did not think communion to be an extremely weighty matter when it came to salvation, either for good or for worse. I apologize if my explanation was unclear on that; I was writing as I thought things through, and my writing was somewhat hurried for the moment.
As I just wrote in my response to “Our Founding Truth,” I think that the most probable explanation for Washington’s not being a communicant, and for apparently remaining silent on the subject, indicate that he wanted to avoid becoming attached to a particular denomination — he wanted to act, and be recognized, as a Christian, not an Anglican, or a Presbyterian, Methodist, Congregationalist, etc. Since he believed that religion was between a man and his God, he most likely thought that he could serve God better (and unite all Christians better by his example) by simply obeying the Scriptures, and not binding himself by the rites and customs of a particular denomination. However, since he knew (and the Scriptures demonstrate) that a man must be in fellowship with a body of fellow-believers, he faithfully attended church whenever possible.
Since there is such a solid wall between his civic personae and any religious belief that he may have held in private I don’t make any attempt to assign views to fit my opinion.
I am not sure exactly what you mean by this statement, but I do notice that Washington’s public speeches and writings, and not just his private correspondence, show a deep reverence for God and His Word. Washington was careful not to flout his religious beliefs in public, because he believed that such actions were hypocritical — not because he was afraid that the public might suspect his orthodoxy.
And there’s no question that at the time of the Enlightenment that the Revolutionary leaders were informed by Orthodox Christian and secular rational philosophical ideas.
Interesting comment. Yes, the Founders were influenced by the Enlightenment thinkers, but what influenced the Enlightenment thinkers, and the Founders’ choice of which philosophy of which thinker to adopt (the Founders didn’t blindly embrace all of the Enlightenment doctrine; they agreed with certain philosophers and disagreed with others — what was the standard of their rejection and acceptance?) I think that the manner in which the Founders were influenced by the Enlightenment has been greatly distorted, however. To get an idea of the truth behind the matter, however, I would recommend for your perusal The Origins of American Constitutionalism by Donald S. Lutz, a professor who spent 20 years trying to discover the most predominant influence on the Founding. I would also recommend perusing the blog archives of the blog Our Founding Truth, which presents some very “enlightening” portions of writing from the Enlightenment thinkers, and shows that they viewed both Scripture and reason as being authorities for discovering truth. This post about John Locke’s trinitarian theology is rather interesting.
Well, my response to your very reflective one (for which I thank you) is now rather lengthy. I hope that it is satisfactory, and I hope that you continue to visit my blogs and leave your thoughts at your own convenience.
June 14th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
I followed the link provided to Our Founding Truth. And would like to follow up with a couple of observations.
From the post: That the people choose the King, implies consent of the governed; the people’s superiority is in Proverbs 14:28:
“In the multitude of people is the king’s honour: but in the want of people is the destruction of the prince.”
The want of people is obviously their consent, since the people have the power to remove a King.
The tricky thing about using quotes, especially biblical translations, is in understanding the quote. To that end I think this web site is a help. What is “obvious” to the author of the above passage isn’t so obvious to others that have translated the original to mean a lack or dearth of people as being the rulers ruin. This is not so good for the credibility of the author pertaining to Biblical understanding.
I continued reading until I came to this:
Like I’ve said before, on my blog, the American Revolution, and the Founding Fathers’ formation of our country had absolutely nothing to do with enlightenment philosophy…
This is an absolutely incredible statement, and by incredible I do mean completely without credible foundation. Strike two. If there’s any merit to that post it won’t be me that teases it from among the stinkers.
This is a good example of an author trying desperately to make the “evidence” fit his/her own opinion/understanding – and to completely dismiss Enlightenment influence is either dishonest or thoroughly ignorant of the matter.
On the other hand, the learned views of Donald Lutz look more promising. To that end I would also recommend Bernard Bailyn’s The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution. It’s been on my re-read shelf for about 20 years – along with the stack of new reads. If only people would stop writing and publishing for a couple of years I might get caught up.
Thanks again for taking the time to respond.
Regards
June 15th, 2008 at 1:13 am
Hi Jimmiraybob.
I think your interpretation of the Proverbs 14:28 passage is more consistent with its context, but I don’t think the blogger intentionally mis-defined “want.” The version he was quoting from is the King James Version, and to the modern speaker of English, many times the words, or the use of them, has grown somewhat obsolete. Today, we often translate as “desire,” as the blogger did; we do not often associate that word with “lack” as the King James Version apparently does.
When OFT said “the American Revolution, and the Founding Fathers’ formation of our country had absolutely nothing to do with enlightenment philosophy,” I think he was speaking of SECULAR HUMANISM in the Enlightenment. He was not saying that thinkers of the Enlightenment had no influence on our Founders — the very subject matter of his blog and his investigation into people like Locke and Montesquieu demonstrates my point.
I linked to the blog, because it presents some very good quotations from the Enlightenment thinkers themselves, which show that the Scriptures were often their authority (see, for instance, the post I linked to about John Locke).
Of course, not all of the Enlightenment thinkers (like Voltaire and Rousseau and Hume) were believers, but the philosophers who had more influence over the Founders were Christians (or at least religious theists) who held the Bible in high regard. I wanted to present the blog Our Founding Truth so that you could see their quotations for yourself.
The book you linked to sounds interesting. I have heard of it, but I have never had the opportunity to read it. I totally sympathize with you in having a huge amount to read!
Hope that the book by Lutz is not too inconvenient an addition to your stack! But reading it will certainly be worth it.
Talk to you later.
June 15th, 2008 at 2:00 am
Hi Her,
It’s interesting post and I enjoy reading all the comments.
By the way, it is always nice having your visit to my Blog. I am glad the verses can be a great blessings for you.
Have great weekend.
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